We’re Driving! – August 2014 Newsletter August 7, 2014 5:18 pm by ryan Tags: newsletter Archived August 2014 Newsletter Want to receive these newsletters in your inbox each month? Sign up here! * indicates required Email Address * First Name Last Name Kevin I’m a little confused by this…weren’t you guys drive testing a long time ago? Are you debugging or simply tuning? Finding (or trying to find) failure points? Details please. Please say something other than video/details coming soon…because we all know that means it isn’t… :-/ Thanks. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors We’ve been filming, so yes, video is coming soon. And yes, we’re debugging our controls system. Our previous prototype (EP3) could drive in a very limited manner, as it had a very simplistic controls system based on a smaller gyro system. Our current prototype (EP4) has a controls system and gyro system very similar to our production model, with the first drive-by-wire system we’ve made. That controls system is much, much more complex than our previous system, and so has taken longer to develop—and will take longer to debug. -Ryan Derek Humfleet I really hope your production model has a sleeker style. Your current design works but is seriously lacking any sex appeal. Seriously, a two wheeled enclosed vehicle is something out of a sci-fi movie set in the future. But let’s make sure its more the future of 2014, not the future of 1980. mmalc As a prospective owner, I’m not bothered by the vehicle’s “sex appeal”. I want it to be safe, efficient, and delivered. Derek Humfleet Fair enough, but the rest of us want it super cool. It’s a good start… But it’s really supposed to be the TRON BIKE reimagined right? I don’t see why sex appeal wouldn’t be a major design point. It is in every other category. Talal Alhaiky i totally agree with Derek, we have been waiting for such a long time so want something that will turn heads and be as aggressive as possible. just like the R1 shocked the bike industry in 1998 with their new bikes specs and super looks, now all bikes looks like an R1 Mahindra I totally agree with Derek. Style is very important. Compare a tesla to a prius. The prius used to look like a refrigerator on its side. They change it a lot since it first came out. The back of the C-1 looks good but the front makes it look like and egg. I was told the final design will be a bit different but it does not appear to be. The E-tracer looks alot better. It looks like it was meant for high speed cruising. James Are you kidding? This thing does have sex appeal. It looks awesome. Steven Rounds I think that the styling of the C-1 is VERY futuristic…but it follows the dictum of “less is more”. One of the problems with prior 3-wheel designs is that they went way overboard on the zoomie styling. These prior designs looked more like a 70′s batmobile. BTW, there’s a new two-stage paint that instantly sheds water, dirt and grease. But adding fins and sci-fi gimcrack would make it a lot harder to shed the above contaminants. Derek Humfleet Not really looking for anything with fins. I drive a motorcycle and like the idea of enclosed. But also see the benefit of the openness and POV a motorcycle provides. I imagine a glass ceiling with translucent display that can simulate a roof for privacy and be clear when you want an unobstructed view. I also see a model where you stake the center console and ride it slightly superman style. Oh man I could go on. I just think it is time all that stuff you see in the movies makes it into an awesome vehicle. Talal Alhaiky hi Kim, do you have a target date for delivery yet? just so that we who pre-order can plan things ahead? it doesn’t have to be specific, just something like Q4 2014 or something. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors Our current target is to begin production at the end of the year. If that target needs to change, we’ll be sure to let our community know. And we’ll release more detailed timelines, including estimated delivery windows, as we near production. -Ryan Talal Alhaiky Kim, i have another question. how about slow driving? especially on those rubber speed pumps that most companies have at their gates? will the C1 be able to handle that sudden jump at a speed of just couple of miles? http://litmotors.com Lit Motors Yes, the C-1 will be able to handle speed bumps just fine. -Ryan Charles Felton Ryan…wind tunnel testing? Has been or will be done? http://litmotors.com Lit Motors We’re performing virtual wind tunnel testing (CFD analysis) as part of the design process, with real-world wind tunnel tests to follow in the future. -Ryan StevieV I have been reading the blogs and here is what see. I see a autocycle that I certainly want. I see this as a daily use vehicle for me where I will save about 200$ per month in gas expenses = more affordable. I really love the look of this thing and would like to see a sort of hatchback idea. I am surprised that the sun roof isn’t in effect already and that is will only be in future models. The idea of feeling the sun and it being more like a motorcycle is what I want. I am so close to plopping down the 500$ to reserve a C1 but at the same time I own an Husquvarna Motorcycle and I know how hard it is to get parts for a bike that doesn’t have a dealership close by. I would have to travel from LA to San Fran for services probably in the beginning. So I guess I should ask how I can start a dealership? In Los Angeles???? What people who want to buy this creation will want to see are (in no particular order) 1. color options 2. actual size 3. stero options 4. sun roof 5. actual # for charging, distance, speed etc. 6. hatchback so someone could prop it open and plop in their Golf Clubs if they like or a surfboard for me. 7. will the hubs acutally light up? or just a gimmick for marketing? 8. supposed to have air conditioning and heater but what will that do to mileage? 9. I think a little rack on the back all chromed out would be cool. 10. people will want to see test footage of a. reverse b. parking (rear view camera?) c. motor speedway racing d. crashes (getting hit and not falling over) e. general driving around. can other people think of other things they want for a 25K $ Autocycle? Cuz we know its gonna start to get expensive the closer to production. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors Glad you like what you see! We’ll release more details about available options and our service/maintenance plan as we near production. However, we do not plan to have dealerships; we’re following Tesla’s model of direct sales via our website, with non-sales showrooms to follow eventually. We will take care of service/maintenance, but it will not be through a dealer model. -Ryan StevieV So let’s say I order one. Is it delivered to LA? Do I have to have a training session? Do you know what the process ‘in general’ would look like. I am now looking at the Tesla for a better understanding of how your release will work. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors Specific details to come, but yes, we’ll likely deliver to your door in LA and provide orientation of sorts. However, our goal for UX is that almost no orientation will be necessary; if you’re familiar with driving a car, you’ll be familiar with driving our vehicle. -Ryan StevieV Ok plopped down my 500 to reserve one of these little beasts. I guess I have to arrange some sort of financing but I am on it. The lecture from Danny at the conference sealed the deal for me. I guess now I wait and save lots of money to pay for this thing. Pretty sure I will put a racing stripe on it. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors Thanks for your pre-order, Stevie! We appreciate your support! -Ryan http://www.beliveaubarrette.acndirect.com SimonMB What is the maximum speed ? And I live in Canada would it be registrable ? And could it work in the snow ? steve Questions have been raised about the fundamental viability of the twin gyroscope system and its ability to provide the described functionality, i.e. providing banking and lean in may not be possible with the twin gyro system. Do you have any reply to those questions? Do you have any video of a prototype maneuvering under poer? http://litmotors.com Lit Motors Think of the C-1 as a robotic motorcycle, where banking and leaning will be provided for you autonomously via the gyros. The newest algorithm can bank at a 45 degree angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrT1wM5HxvU Please email [email protected] with any additional questions =) steve The linked video appears to show road handling from the C-1 operator POV. However, no video from track side of the same event is provided. Honestly, is the POV video shot through a C-1 front glass attached to a motorcycle? I still believe that the laws of physics do not allow the type of control advertised as part of the C-1 concept. It would be helpful if you could at least provide a professional opinion from a university physicist or a professor of mechanical engineering specializing in dynamics stating that the envisioned method of controlling banking at road speed is possible within the laws of physics. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors It is 100% functional, even on ice. See our latest prototype driving here: https://youtu.be/MdO5Rk4j-oI As for experts, we have a list. Be sure to check out our team: http://litmotors.com/team/ steve Not a very substantial response. Can you get a scientist with expertise in the field to certify that the vision is permitted by the laws of physics. The videos that show the C-1 “driving” are not encouraging. A “algorithm” says it can bank to 45°. I’ll believe it when I see it. And you’re at least 2 years late in delivering a meaningful demonstration. Until you drive this thing through a turn at a speed the REQUIRES banking to maintain stability, you have demonstrated no scrap of the concept. Sharat Kalapa I was eagerly looking forward to your launch in 2015. You guys looked so optimistic. So what appears to be the holdup? What is the latest status? Jason On July 14th you guys sent out an email saying: “Stay tuned over the next month, as we will release the dates and location of our events and ask that you RSVP.” It has been a month now and I have not seen any release dates or locations. Any update as to when we should be expecting our test drives that you said would be available to your pre-order community. I would like a more specific response than we are working on it. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors We are currently planning Test Rides for our preorder community and are adding upgrades to our EP-4 prototype. When this is complete, we will send out the RSVP email for our first event. Jason Realistically when do you think the upgrades will be complete? I’m a bit discouraged, yet strangely optimistic. I’ve had my deposit in for over 2 years. I keep hoping you guys will get some kind of schedule together that you can really meet. I work everyday in the protyping world in Mountain View. I totally get the whole one step forward… three steps backwards scenario. Not to mention all of the unforeseen snowballs that rear their ugly heads as a result of the smallest of changes. But you shouldn’t tell us you’re going to send out dates over the next month, if it’s not going to happen. Very discouraging for all of us. http://litmotors.com Lit Motors We will be releasing updates soon! Thank you for your patience.